| luc (Sifu) | Msg #441 21-04-2014 02:33 am that sure is complicating bro.Cant say I understand the rationale of getting a digit just by physically adding up the sum of the last 2 digit,....like, 5434 = 7 (3+4). In this case you are actually introducing another digit of your own which were not really present in the previous draw. Maybe this is some kind of numerology or sumting. I really dunno, man. But if you think of how numbers are derived in a draw - i.e. a ball with a number on it being sucked up one by one by a vacuum - the only trend that can be set, over a period of time, will be the sequence and the frequency that a particular ball (number) will be picked. Therefore just by adding up the digits in 2 separate balls to predict that a totally different non-related 3rd ball (which so happen to have the sum of the first 2) will be hit, sounds a bit of being too assumptious without any way of verification at all. Nvm la bro.....whatever method that it may be, so long as it can deliver constant results, that is all that it matters. So gauge yours by the hit rate that you are getting from it. If it works fine, by all means, mate ! Theres no better way to tell which method is more superior, than by the results that it shows, right ? ;) |
| arsnova | Msg #442 21-04-2014 03:21 am Not only sum of 2D, u can sum any number from any past day also. So from what you is just random number not a pattern right? No worries Luc you can say anything you need to say even good or bad. Btw thanks for your time to comment and answering my question. Now will take a time to learn more again. |
| giugno128 (Sifu) | Msg #443 21-04-2014 08:17 am Good morning @arsnova & @luc During my schooling time, my electronic's teacher always said " The most important you must know the input and output of a device, you know how to apply, and it is not important to know how that device works internally....." This concept I applied to 4D, the results are the inputs and outputs, how the output derived from input is the black box device we are trying to figure out... This is one of the concept Pandora Blackhole is using.... a series of 1D from past results to derive the next digit... Example, when I looked at prize ABCD digits A for the past records, one method is used to study the digits, the pattern and using a numerology chart (created 2 so far and still modifying) Past 3rd prize results A..B..C..D 8..6..7..4 0..0..0..6 4..2..8..0 0..2..3..5 4..3..6..4 2..6..1..7 1..1..8..0 Using all digits in A, goes thru a series of computations and the results I have is A=6, B=8,C=7, D=1 and it came out on Sun as 1st prize. Treating these series of digits in A, like looking for the next digit like studying the DNA structure.... The concept of applying few rules i.e. adding a certain fixed digits, for every single one, when putting a equation into the digit, using the input/output concept, if both input and output matched with the draw results, this equation is the correct black box.... I have derived about six such blackbox equations so far, counter check each other to fine tune the blackbox... Still in developing stage.... The Pro and Cons so far, Cons - the pattern of the results can be view as direct numbers if the digits are all correct, most of the time, last couple of weeks, always get correct 3D, missed the 1D. Pros - The results for 4121 and 6871, all direct hits... Why I get the correct 4121 & 6871 because when the first 4D derived, I applied the 3DTP method on that 4D, to check the possibilities of all the 3D in that particular number has high chance to hit or not... If one of them is weak, it indicates 1 digit could be wrong... Hope I am right this time....working out for Wed's draw. Good Luck everyone.. |
| luc (Sifu) | Msg #444 21-04-2014 10:16 am This forum page is warming up now with lots of active postings....thats what I like. Helps keep my interest here longer before the "itch feet" sets in again. :) Ok, for SG players here will be the good 1DTPs, 3Ds and AABCs for this coming Wed draw on the 23/4/14 : 1DTP - 1D "4" and 1D "5". 3Ds - 123, 134 and 012. AABC - 11xx, 22xx and 44xx. ABCD - Just one system number, for those who are interested......sys 1234. (help save the cost from laying too many lines eh ?...haha) G'luck all on Wed !!~~ @giugno128 - all da best to u in yr new method, bro! Go for it, man! |
| luc (Sifu) | Msg #445 21-04-2014 10:23 am ehh...think I better lay another fishing line as a "safety net" for 3d 123, as this one is also looking really juicy too at the moment.....system 1239 ! (come to papa, fishies.....lol). |
| arsnova | Msg #446 21-04-2014 02:22 pm Good afternoon sifu giugno128 and sifu Luc:D Based on sifu giugno128 said "The most important you must know the input and output of a device, you know how to apply, and it is not important to know how that device works internally....." That's mean you input 23 draws number to derive 23 numbers for the next draw. Am I right? Then how about input only first prize draw to derive first prize for thext draw. I think is a same concept. How about your opinion? |
| giugno128 (Sifu) | Msg #447 21-04-2014 04:08 pm Hi arsnova First of all, I am not familiar with your country First Prize draw only... Is it only one 4D number per draw? or same, 23 numbers per draw. Secondly, you must understand, how many lottery machine system are there and which machine is used for which draw... Do you know? Thirdly, the ballset, how many? Which ball sets are used for which draw? Why all these were used by the operators, reasons are few, to show that the draw are fair, to show that systematic or any form of logical prediction will be difficult In theory, it is much easy to predict with one machine and one ball sets and when you studying the possibility of which digit would come out would be easy because there are less variables. In the real world, different machines, different ballsets and different setup will create more variables.... The Input/Output and blackbox theory needs to iron out or find ways to minimize all these variables... How? Looking a for different signature in the past results and hopefully, can mapped out groups into different ballsets, different machines etc. This is a very difficult tasks to determine... Once you can grouped the past results into indentical ballset or machine, then which ever method of logical or statistic even Monte Carlo method can predict which possible numbers would be out on the next draw.... So far, I am trying to group the data in hands, if possible,to identify which past data belong to which groups etc... from there, the prediction work would be much easier.... Until now, I have no confirm answer yet but Blackhole methods does show sign of possible grouping and I have not fully grouping them yet.... another big job.... Whatever the method would be, the ideal of using top 3 prizes to determine top 3 forecast is not 100% impossible, but at the current moment, still not 100% possible... yet to explore further.... May be you have a better idea since you are so keen in this areas. Good Luck |
| bytez | Msg #448 21-04-2014 06:50 pm I've noticed the number 52xx in the draw in Sg pools lately What u guys think of 5239 or 3952? |
| arrows | Msg #449 21-04-2014 07:49 pm Hi All members & Sifu giugno128, Have no able to get online as much i would like to hence apology for not posting 3D for last 2 weekends... but my 3D are probably not going to be a great help anyway since we have Sifu's in the house Anyway, have looked through my collection of results and analysis and identified the following for next 2-3 draw for MG (MY) Only 2D: 20 & 30 3D: 201 / 208 / 301 / 701 Hopefully they would have some use to someone. Hi Luc, i been reading almost all your long postings and trying to understand them as much as possible. Good stuff. |
| arrows | Msg #450 21-04-2014 07:55 pm Not sure if for MG (MY) anybody have the knowhow of the machines and ball sets that Sifu giugno128 is referring to. So without that information is it more challenging to replicate this blackbox for MG counter? |
| luc (Sifu) | Msg #451 21-04-2014 10:32 pm Hi arrows, What bro giugno128 is referring to abt the ball machines and ball-sets is that it will help in your prediction if you are aware of the method that the gaming operators of your country is using to derive draws' results. I do not know how other overseas operators go abt in getting their results numbers in every draw but for SG they use a different set of machine and ball-set for every single draw. Super kiasu ! Reason why they do this is to break the "continuity" of the game and make people like us, who are trying to analyze past data, have a much more difficult time in our prediction. By frequently changing the 'device' thats use to derive the results, it does introduce more variables in our analysis of possible future outcome, like what bro giugno128 had said. This is the same reason why casino operators dealing in card games have frequent changing or "washing" of the cards and also will discard some cards away after every change. It is to 'trip' up those pros who are good in card-reading and memorizing. Make their job (like ours in prediction) that much more difficult. For Sg, it wasnt like this last time, when 4d prediction are not generally a well-known fact in the gaming industry.....well, at least there weren't so many online 4d predicting sites then. Back then, they use to change the machine and the ball-sets (the deivce for deriving results) only once in a few mths. For those who knew the art of 4d prediction during those time, scoring hits were much much easier than now - as there were less disruption in the way that the numbers were being drawn. Therefore the continuity of the game was not interrupted so often and that the reading of past data more accurate to forecast future results. Also, every set of balls have slightly different weight in each individual ball from the next set, and SGPool has LOTS of different ball-sets to pick from when deciding which set to use for a particular draw. Think about what that implication is. Their decision in using whichever set for a draw, of course, is not made known to the public and that create another unknown variable for us to overcome in our prediction. Thats why its good to know how the results numbers are derived from each draw in your country, so that at least we are aware of what we are up against. So, without that knowledge (as you said), it would def be more challenging to predict results, not only just for the Blackbox but for all other methods too. |
| luc (Sifu) | Msg #452 21-04-2014 11:06 pm @ arrows If u are playing Magnum, it will be good for you to read my MSG#458 and understand what I was saying abt the system number 1347, bro. I dun do analysis for other counters except SGPool's. Had done Magnum's sys 1347 only becoz bro giugno128 had mentioned that number in his previous post. Keep this number in your radar and use it as one of your "core number" - meaning to say, make it your own personal number and follow it faithfully for the rest of the year, as its T3 probability is excellent. Of course not saying to follow it for every draw for the whole year. What I mean is that do more research on its data for yourself and monitor its performance closely from here on. When it does hit, dun just forget abt it. Study its trend and from there try and predict when it will possibly appear again (its due date). This one, as I had said in my post, is in its hot-running cycle which means its appearances will be quite frequent and regular. The best type of number to have as a "core number" to bet on again and again, whenever it is due. In the next few draws, towards month end, or the early part of May, the chances for this number to hit is GOOD. Tip - take a look at the last previous draw to see whether any of the four 3ds components of sys 1347 are present. The 3ds comps are : 134, 137, 147 and 347. If any one, or better still two, are present in the last draw, then it will be good to bet on it for the next draw, bro. |
| luc (Sifu) | Msg #453 21-04-2014 11:22 pm @ arsnova Basically, to put it simply, I think what bro giugno128 meant when he said... "The most important you must know the input and output of a device, you know how to apply, and it is not important to know how that device works internally....." is that, so long as you know how to use the data that you have and get the desired result that you want, it is all that matters. We do not have to bother too much on the "how" and "why" the method works, if we are unable to figure out the reasons why it works. So give it a try in whatever method u can think of and monitor its success. If it is giving you the returns that you are looking for, then it will be the real MCcoy and you can stick to it. Everyone, including me, started off like this. But the thing to remember and monitor is that success MUST be repetitive. Dun get too excited if it happens only once, as that may be due to the fluke of Luck. When its success can be replicate time and time again, only then can the method be taken as proven and tested. Same as when a scientist is trying to find a formula to produce certain results. They will have to test it many times, again and again, to prove that it always deliver the same result before announcing it as a breakthrough or success. G'luck bro. |
| luc (Sifu) | Msg #454 21-04-2014 11:50 pm @ bro giugno128 or Anyone I see that there are some people buying both SG and Msia counters, is that possible ? How to go about doing that ? Can ppl in SG, like me, buying Msia counters,eg. Magnum, SportToto and 1+3D ? Where to buy from in Sg and if kena how to collect ? Seems to me that Magnum's more easier to predict and kena than SGPool....hehe....probably they dun change their machine and balls as often as kiasu SGPool does. Advice anyone ? |
| giugno128 (Sifu) | Msg #455 22-04-2014 12:27 am Hi Bro luc Yes, Magnum is much easy to predict compared with SGPools... With your skill, hitting top 3 or podium numbers is just lifting a fingers... It's a pity, officially,there are none that I have know off where to buy Magnum unless my feet on Malaysia's ground.... What a waste, we missed all the jackpot prizes..... !!!! |
| luc (Sifu) | Msg #456 22-04-2014 12:46 am Yea bro.....I suspect that the way MG is carrying out its operations now is something like what SGP was last time.....not so kiasu and also has less of the 'underhand' stuff we knw dat SP has. I was reading their (MG) website juz now and it did not say anything abt them changing machines and ball in every draw. Probably thats the reason why their results are more consistent as everything else in the game remains status quo....not so many influencing variables to throw the punters off eh ? Yea sure it was a waste we aint there, man....some of my outside 4d kakis tell me better for me to migrate there and make a bundle of it with my method....haha, rite....if only it was so easy huh. |
| arsnova | Msg #457 22-04-2014 01:06 am @sifu giugno128. Got missunderstanding here. Apologize me for my bad english to explain. Me also people at my country also play SGPpools 4D but with different rule and prize and the valid winning number still follow the result of first prize number of SGPpools 4D. At my country we can play lottery from any country but the rule and prize is different. Even the rule and prize is different the winning number still follow result from the country we play but only use first prize number as winning number. Most people at my country don't know 2nd prize, 3rd prize, starter prize and consolation prize. People just know number from the first prize. That's why predictor at my country only use first prize data result to analyze. You got what I mean sifu? Just information about prize at my country, we take yesterday sun 20/04/2014 draws. First prize Result is 6781 so valid winning number at my country for sgp pools is 6871 A B C D 6 8 7 1 Bet 4D 6871 win 1 x 3000 Bet 3D 871 win 1 x 400 Bet 2D 71 win 1 x 70 Bet any 1 digit any position win 1 x 1.5(include capital) Ex: 1 or 6 or 7 or 8 Bet any 2 digit any position win 1 x 6 (include capital) Ex: 16 17 18 67 68 78 Bet any 3 digit any position win 1 x 26 (include capital) Ex: 167 168 178 678 Bet 1 digit at correct position win 1 x 8(include capital) Ex: bet 6 at A position Also can bet big and small(only 2D position), odd and even. Then got interested one we can bet 2D according to chinese astrology/shio. We can bet for horse, rat, pig, chicken and the prize is 1 x 9 Ex: this year is a horse year: Horse: 01 13 25 37 49 61 73 85 97 Snake: 02 14 26 38 50 62 74 86 98 Dragon: 03 15 27 39 51 63 75 87 99 Rabbit: 04 16 28 40 52 64 76 88 00 Tiger: 05 17 29 41 53 65 77 89 Ox: 06 18 30 42 54 66 78 90 Rat: 07 19 31 43 55 67 79 91 Pig: 08 20 32 44 56 68 80 92 Dog: 09 21 33 45 57 69 81 93 Rooster: 10 22 34 46 58 70 82 94 Monkey: 11 23 35 47 59 71 83 95 Goat : 12 24 36 48 60 72 84 96 If u bet monkey then one of 8 numbers appears at 2D( last 2 digit) then u win the prize. 6871, 2D:71=monkey. See the numbers above, predictor who used numbers of shio to predict hav a high chance to win when twin digit result (00 11 22 33 44 55 66 77 88 99) bcoz almost every each of shio got twin number. Then you can see for horse, rabbit, rat and rooster. Look for their sum of 2 digit Horse: 01=0 1 =1 13=1 3 =4 25=2 5 =7 37=3 7=10=1 0 =1 49=4 9=13=1 3 =4 61=6 1 =7 73=7 3=10=1 0 =1 85=8 5=13=1 3 =4 97=9 7=16=1 6 =7 Rabbit: 04=0 4. =4 16=1 6. =7 28=2 8=10=1 0. =1 40=4 0. =4 52=5 2. =7 64=6 4=10=1 0 =1 76=7 6=13=1 3 =4 88=8 8=16=1 6 =7 For rat and rooster can try yourself Then for snake, tiger, pig and monkey snake : 02=0 2 =2 14=1 4 =5 26=2 6 =8 38=3 8=11=1 1 =2 50=5 0. =5 62=6 2 =8 74=7 4=11=1 1 =2 86=8 6=14=1 4 =5 98=9 8=17=1 7 =8 Tiger: 05=0 5 =5 17=1 7 =8 29=2 9=11=1 1 =2 41=4 1. =5 53=5 3. =8 65=6 5=11=1 1 =2 77=7 7=14=1 4 =5 89=8 9=17=1 7 =8 For the rest of shio maybe can try yourself. How about it sifu? What your opinion about it? |
| luc (Sifu) | Msg #458 22-04-2014 01:13 am Hey bro, btw u understood what I was telling u abt the "4d inbreeding" thingy just now in the mail ? Give u another simple example for u to see for yrself, k. Say, if u take juz three 4 ABCDs nos (the podium prizes), altogether they will only have just 16 sets of 3ds (4x4), right ? Feed these 16 sets of 3ds into a "3D Matching" apps (like the one assemblix has), and you will def get most of their original ABCDs nos.back or nos.that had just appeared very recently - short-gaps one. Its becoz , like I said, the pool is not large enough for them to "mutate" to totally different 4D nos. from their parent numbers. So, in this sense, there is a certain distortion that the results will be showing us. Keep that in mind, k. But if we are to analyse in ANY methods from ALL the 23 numbers in a past draw, there will def be more than just 16 sets of 3ds to mix and match with. Max.3ds from all 23 results numbers (assuming that all are ABCD nos.) will be 92 sets of 3ds (23X4). As 92 is so much more than 16 sets, the pool will be large enough for mutation to occur such that a totally different nos.from last recent draws is then so much more possible. More healthier, so to speak. Thats why, in reality, we only get once in a while the oddball of repeated nos. from the past previous draw. MOST of the 23 numbers will be mutated to another totally new 4d numbers, sharing some of its 3d components from the last draw. Its like a child having almost the same DNA as the parent, but not quite so. Sharing some of the parent's DNA make-up but at the same time is a totally different individual by himself, see ? So, in 4D context, what this means is that if we are analyzing based on too few numbers past data, the results may be 'freaky' and has a tendency to churn out too many of its own parents' numbers (meaning those that had just appeared). Use this info/knowledge in yr development of new methods and give allowances for it,k. |
| luc (Sifu) | Msg #459 22-04-2014 01:34 am @arsnova Now I understand what u were saying abt your country's way of playing SG 4D. (But I am not even going to try and get into the horse, monkey, rats stuff yet.....thats a nitemare, sia! LOL) Wow....just to predict SGPool 1st prize and nothing else eh ? offhand the chances of success, I would say, is ASTRONOMICAL, man ! I wouldnt wanna bet on such low winning-odd. Must be able to predict the future or have a crystal ball for that, dude ! BUT, on the other hand, going for the 1d and 2d sounds interesting and possible (to a certain extent of course). Hmmmm....1x8 payout for getting the 1D in correct position eh ? Not bad. And 1X1.5 payout for 1D in any position ?.....i would like to try that one. OK bro, I tell you wat the 1DTP on WED for SGPool will be like....you can give them a shot for that 1.5 payout. Below are the 1Ds good for Top prize in SG for Wed draw....but , remember they are for ALL 3 Top3 prizes group, not necessarily just for 1st prize, k. See your luck whether they land on 1st prize instead of just 2nd and 3rd prize, mate. 1DTPs for 23/4 SGPool (for any digit position ) - 4, 5 and 9. 4 is the strongest, follow by 5 and 9. G'luck bro !.......(blanjah me 1 kopi if u kena.....send by DHL please.....haha) |
| luc (Sifu) | Msg #460 22-04-2014 01:42 am For that 1x8 payout in digit correct position try: 4 for Position C 5 for Position A 9 for Position B PS - this one if kena must send by DHL 2 roti pratas with eggs please. Thank you. :) |